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Was a Boy Scout Leader Unfairly Fired Allegedly Because of Sexual Orientation? (POLL)

Ten of Tim Griffin’s fellow camp leaders resigned in protest after Griffin was fired by the Boys Scouts authority in Sacramento.

A national outcry erupted after a well-liked Boy Scout camp counselor was fired by the Golden State Empire Council, the authority that presides over Boy Scouts in Northern California.

Tim Griffin, 22, believes he was wrongfully terminated for his sexual orientation, although the Council denies any relation to the national ban on openly gay scouts and leaders.

In protest, Griffin started an online petition with Change.org, an online social action platform, that collected nearly 80,000 signatures. On Tuesday, Griffin presented the petition to the council stating, “Regardless of what the council gives as reasoning for my removal, the overwhelming show of solidarity at today’s delivery tells quite a different story.”

The Boy Scouts of America as a national organization has been the subject of controversy for its ban on accepting gay scouts and scout leaders.

The policy has drawn condemnation from both sides of the political aisle including President Obama and Governor Romney.

Was the Golden State Empire Council wrong in terminating Griffin? Let us know your thoughts in the comments.


Alisan Andrews August 19, 2012 at 05:29 PM
My son quit the local Boy Scouts because of the overt sexual orientation of the counselor.
Kevin Kaatz August 19, 2012 at 05:52 PM
Just because someone is gay doesn't mean he should be fired. That is ridiculous.
Eggbert August 19, 2012 at 06:39 PM
Overtly heterosexual, perhaps? Yes, that can be offensive.
Jennifer van der Kleut August 19, 2012 at 06:45 PM
Here's how I look at it - Talk of sex or a showing of sexuality shouldn't enter the picture at all when it comes to working with kids in a program like scouts. So it shouldn't matter whether you're gay or straight, just leave your sexuality at home when you go to work. That's my thought, anyway. So if he wasn't bringing it to work with him, he doesn't deserve to be fired. But we don't know about that, the Scouts aren't saying what led to the decision to fire him. So that would be my question.
R. Lindeborg August 19, 2012 at 08:55 PM
Bigotry is b bigotry. Boy Scout leadership is bigoted and narrow-minded. I am sad for the person whose son quit the Boy Scouts because of the "overt sexual orientation" of the counselor. It appears her son has somehow made bigotry part of his world view. I am sorry.
Phillip Bailey August 19, 2012 at 11:38 PM
I think all the facts need to be presented to us. My niece played HS basketball at a public HS and was recruited to continue at SF State. She was literally harrassed to "come on board" and switch over, come on over to what the rest of the team believed in regarding sexual orientation. She fought it, told the proper people from top to bottom and at the end, decide to quit the team. She enjoyed her female teammates but not in the manner they was being encouraged blatantly to her and for her to "join in". Without facts it is hard to say.
DanC August 19, 2012 at 11:59 PM
Jennifer - You have equated sexual acts with people. What do you mean "...bringing it to work with him"? This is type of homophobia that must be overcome.
Jennifer van der Kleut August 20, 2012 at 02:35 AM
Dan - I think you misunderstood what I meant, maybe I wasn't explaining myself very clearly. I am definitely the last person anyone could call homophobic, many of my very good friends are gay. I just meant perhaps that, especially when you work with children in a program such as the scouts, any talk of sex should be left at home, whether you are gay or straight. Like a previous commenter mentioned, it's all about how overt you are period, regardless of preference. If this scout leader was leaving at home and was fired anyway just because someone found out he was gay, that's what I think is unacceptable. The only thing that should matter is how he acted around the children. I hope that explains my opinion a little more clearly.
Andrew Peceimer August 20, 2012 at 03:09 AM
If a gay beats a non gay is it considered a hate crime?
Kevin Kaatz August 20, 2012 at 04:14 AM
Easy answer--if the gay person beats up a straight person only because he/she was straight, then yes, it would be a hate crime.
frank August 20, 2012 at 04:26 AM
scouts was to teach how to camp, row a boat, and giving back to the community, when I was in scouts and there was talk of sex stuff, the leaders told us to talk to our parents
Alan Dale Brown August 20, 2012 at 05:44 PM
That's the problem with this ... no one has given any specifics. It could've been he was discrete about his sexuality, and someone found out, and made a point of getting rid of him - that's discrimination. It could've been a legitimate reason, completely unrelated to sex, and this fellow is using his orientation to stir up empathy. If it had been a sexual advance on his part, I doubt if the Boy Scouts would've been secretive about it, but that's a legitimate reason to fire him.
Jennifer van der Kleut August 20, 2012 at 07:12 PM
Alan - I totally agree, that's what I was trying to get across!
Mike August 20, 2012 at 08:22 PM
Experience tells me that the only people who "really know" as to why someone is terminated are the people who made the decision to terminate and the individual being terminated, who by the way often has a motive to not be truthful. Yet, we have some people deciding that the terminated party has some substance to their claim. Prior to my retirement I had the opportunity to investigate serveral claims of "wrongful termination". I first perform such investigations as both an employyee advocate, and later in my position as a employers' representative. My investigations involved a variety of claims that were more often than not a "last ditch" effort put forth by a person who should have been terminated and please note that the false claims were frequently given support by coworkers. That may or may not be the case here. However, could it be possible that the terminated employee willfully violated a communicated and reasonable police or "work rule"? That could be the reason for termination. There could be much more to this story.
Alan Dale Brown August 20, 2012 at 08:40 PM
Anyone who has gone through Boy Scouts knows there's a lot of talk about sex ... amongst the scouts. I never remember a scout master discussing sexuality in general - much less their own - other than to reprimand some scouts for talking too profanely (I really wouldn't have wanted to know, the fact that they were all apparently straight notwithstanding!) . I guess it's OK with me if it's left out - there are plenty of other places for discussing sexuality. Scouts should focus on scouting.
Phillip Bailey August 20, 2012 at 09:34 PM
Mike 2 122pm: Great post. Last year (or two) when the Ralston Middle School employee was first accused/put on administrative leave there was an outcry on this blog about "what a good guy he was". Those first few atta-boys came from moms whose young daughters had zero trouble with the then alledged perp. As things unfolded and more facts were brought to light, then the clarity of that particular case unfolded as I hope this incident will also.
Senor Gigante August 20, 2012 at 09:46 PM
The Boy Scouts are a private organization with specific policies. If one of their policies is not to allow homosexual scout leaders then they have the right to get rid of Tim Griffin.

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